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Old 05-27-2009, 08:22 AM
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Default Problem with Ultimate skill bonus

Fighting with Elian Maplewood, Level 53 Moon Elf Cultivator, I invested 2 Ultimate skill points in Protection to avoid more wounds.

On my other characters a single point usually lets me avoid wounds within 2-3% of my Final Success Chance. So, how is it when I invest 2 points in Protection I only avoided a wound on a 1% difference from my Final success chance, but not 2%?? (see Random rolls #10 and #25)

Base Invulnerability is supposed to work with all monster types, too.

Elite Boss was fought in Pandemonium in Primordia in Normal danger mode.

Encounter
Agnis the Ancient, Witch of Wickermoon
Level 55 Fae Elite Boss (15)


Base Success Chance+39%
Equipment Comparison-8%
TOAD Comparison-9%
Skills Used+36%
Active Effects+0%
Final Success Chance58%
Random Roll #1 (1-100)41
Random Roll #2 (1-100)93 +1 Wound
Random Roll #3 (1-100)25
Random Roll #4 (1-100)84 +1 Wound
Random Roll #5 (1-100)25
Random Roll #6 (1-100)27
Random Roll #7 (1-100)62 +1 Wound
Random Roll #8 (1-100)31
Random Roll #9 (1-100)17
Random Roll #10 (1-100)59 Wound avoided
Random Roll #11 (1-100)22
Random Roll #12 (1-100)3
Random Roll #13 (1-100)87 +1 Wound
Random Roll #14 (1-100)90 +1 Wound
Random Roll #15 (1-100)74 +1 Wound
Random Roll #16 (1-100)65 +1 Wound
Random Roll #17 (1-100)33
Random Roll #18 (1-100)2
Random Roll #19 (1-100)98 +1 Wound
Random Roll #20 (1-100)84 +1 Wound
Random Roll #21 (1-100)1
Random Roll #22 (1-100)49
Random Roll #23 (1-100)6
Random Roll #24 (1-100)67 +1 Wound
Random Roll #25 (1-100)60 +1 Wound
Random Roll #26 (1-100)76 +1 Wound
Random Roll #27 (1-100)78 +1 Wound
Random Roll #28 (1-100)94 +1 Wound
Random Roll #29 (1-100)32
Random Roll #30 (1-100)12

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Old 05-27-2009, 08:42 AM
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Fought by the same character in the Eternal Hive in Primordia... (this time even a 1% difference didn't activate the skill bonus to avoid the wound) See Random Roll #12

I doubt I would have lived in this battle anyway.. but every extra chance helps... which is why I invested in Invulnerability in the first place. Please check this before more people suffer the same problems.

Encounter
Queen Vazzara of the Glumwing
Level 56 Insect Elite Boss (15)


Base Success Chance
+34%
Equipment Comparison
-14%
TOAD Comparison
+9%
Skills Used
+9%
Final Success Chance
38%
Random Roll #1 (1-100)
67 +1 Wound
Random Roll #2 (1-100)
95 +1 Wound
Random Roll #3 (1-100)
7
Random Roll #4 (1-100)
71 +1 Wound
Random Roll #5 (1-100)
88 +1 Wound
Random Roll #6 (1-100)
2
Random Roll #7 (1-100)
16
Random Roll #8 (1-100)
38
Random Roll #9 (1-100)
24
Random Roll #10 (1-100)
96 +1 Wound
Random Roll #11 (1-100)
16
Random Roll #12 (1-100)
39 +1 Wound
Random Roll #13 (1-100)
37
Random Roll #14 (1-100)
13
Random Roll #15 (1-100)
56 +1 Wound
Random Roll #16 (1-100)
78 +1 Wound
Random Roll #17 (1-100)
97 +1 Wound
Random Roll #18 (1-100)
76 +1 Wound
Random Roll #19 (1-100)
13
Random Roll #20 (1-100)
44 +1 Wound
Random Roll #21 (1-100)
69 +1 Wound
Random Roll #22 (1-100)
84 +1 Wound
Random Roll #23 (1-100)
21
Random Roll #24 (1-100)
85 +1 Wound
Random Roll #25 (1-100)
94 +1 Wound
Random Roll #26 (1-100)
60 +1 Wound
Random Roll #27 (1-100)
97 +1 Wound
Random Roll #28 (1-100)
49 +1 Wound
Combat Result
YOU DIED
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:38 AM
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Morning,

When you invest points in Protection, it doesn't automatically mean you avoid wounds that are 1 or 2 points above. Rather, you get a chance of avoiding them which increases with rank.

This is how it differs from Capability, which effectively increases your success chance (having the effect of avoiding wounds and doing damage if you're 1 or 2 points above where you'd be without it).

Hope that clears things up!

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Old 06-10-2009, 04:08 PM
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When you invest points in Protection, it doesn't automatically mean you avoid wounds that are 1 or 2 points above. Rather, you get a chance of avoiding them which increases with rank.

This is how it differs from Capability, which effectively increases your success chance (having the effect of avoiding wounds and doing damage if you're 1 or 2 points above where you'd be without it).
In that case, how is Protection balanced so that it's as useful as Capability? A possibility of avoiding hits that are 1 or 2 points above your success chance, versus a certainty of avoiding hits that are 1 or 2 points above your success chance and doing counter-damage doesn't seem balanced at all.
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:19 PM
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I theorize that the Protection has a slightly larger range than the Capability. If one skill rank in the Invulnerability = ~+2 range to avoid the blow vs just getting a +1% success chance from the Capability.

I run Ienzo with 5 ranks of the Invulnerability and 2 in the Capability. On his last battle:
Final Success Chance 43%

Random Roll #1 (1-100)52 Wound avoided
Random Roll #2 (1-100)44 Wound avoided
Random Roll #3 (1-100)73 +1 Wound
Random Roll #4 (1-100)68 +1 Wound
Random Roll #5 (1-100)54 +1 Wound
Random Roll #6 (1-100)50 Wound avoided
Random Roll #7 (1-100)20

Of his three wound avoidances, one was 9 above and one was 7 above. So it's a greater range. I'm not positive the extent of it, but it's more than just a +1 (Capability definately just gives a +1% success chance)
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Old 06-11-2009, 10:11 AM
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In that case, how is Protection balanced so that it's as useful as Capability? A possibility of avoiding hits that are 1 or 2 points above your success chance, versus a certainty of avoiding hits that are 1 or 2 points above your success chance and doing counter-damage doesn't seem balanced at all.
Protection has a larger range. So 1 rank of Capability will give you +1% SC, but Protection will give you a chance of avoiding wounds 1-3 above your roll, and this range and the chance of avoidance increases with ranks.

Having said that, we're now reviewing the balance between the three options.

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Old 06-11-2009, 01:01 PM
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It sounds balanced to me: you have one thing that adds a guarentee of avoidance if it hits within a narrow window, if that doesn't work then you get a bonus chance to avoid a hit if it strikes outside of the 'safe' zone

Think of it like a (small) magical shield that extends your protective coverage (you don't have to do anything to get the protection), the other just gives you a boost to your agility (you have to concentrate to get the benefit)
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:12 AM
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...the chance of avoidance increases with ranks.

Having said that, we're now reviewing the balance between the three options.

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Does this chance get to 100% at a certain level? Can we know the sucess chances per point invested or the success cap at least in the FAQ?

I hope changes will be quick and with notice because people like me will be getting their Ultimate points in a little while.
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